diff --git a/addons/web/static/src/js/form.js b/addons/web/static/src/js/form.js
index ff8e695278e..042bb86857d 100644
--- a/addons/web/static/src/js/form.js
+++ b/addons/web/static/src/js/form.js
@@ -10,20 +10,19 @@ openerp.web.FormView = openerp.web.View.extend( /** @lends openerp.web.FormView#
      * view should be displayed (if there is one active).
      */
     searchable: false,
-    template: "FormView",
+    template: "EmptyComponent",
     /**
      * @constructs openerp.web.FormView
      * @extends openerp.web.View
      * 
      * @param {openerp.web.Session} session the current openerp session
-     * @param {String} element_id this view's root element id
      * @param {openerp.web.DataSet} dataset the dataset this view will work with
      * @param {String} view_id the identifier of the OpenERP view object
      *
      * @property {openerp.web.Registry} registry=openerp.web.form.widgets widgets registry for this form view instance
      */
-    init: function(parent, element_id, dataset, view_id, options) {
-        this._super(parent, element_id);
+    init: function(parent, dataset, view_id, options) {
+        this._super(parent);
         this.set_default_options(options);
         this.dataset = dataset;
         this.model = dataset.model;
@@ -45,6 +44,7 @@ openerp.web.FormView = openerp.web.View.extend( /** @lends openerp.web.FormView#
         _.defaults(this.options, {"always_show_new_button": true});
     },
     start: function() {
+        this._super();
         if (this.embedded_view) {
             var def = $.Deferred().then(this.on_loaded);
             var self = this;
@@ -75,7 +75,7 @@ openerp.web.FormView = openerp.web.View.extend( /** @lends openerp.web.FormView#
         this.fields_view = data;
         var frame = new (this.registry.get_object('frame'))(this, this.fields_view.arch);
 
-        this.$element.html(QWeb.render(this.template, { 'frame': frame, 'view': this }));
+        this.$element.html(QWeb.render("FormView", { 'frame': frame, 'view': this }));
         _.each(this.widgets, function(w) {
             w.start();
         });
diff --git a/addons/web/static/src/js/list.js b/addons/web/static/src/js/list.js
index 60ba22dc68c..7f6060b58be 100644
--- a/addons/web/static/src/js/list.js
+++ b/addons/web/static/src/js/list.js
@@ -2,6 +2,7 @@ openerp.web.list = function (openerp) {
 var QWeb = openerp.web.qweb;
 openerp.web.views.add('list', 'openerp.web.ListView');
 openerp.web.ListView = openerp.web.View.extend( /** @lends openerp.web.ListView# */ {
+    template: "EmptyComponent",
     defaults: {
         // records can be selected one by one
         'selectable': true,
@@ -31,7 +32,6 @@ openerp.web.ListView = openerp.web.View.extend( /** @lends openerp.web.ListView#
      * @extends openerp.web.View
      *
      * @param parent parent object
-     * @param element_id the id of the DOM elements this view should link itself to
      * @param {openerp.web.DataSet} dataset the dataset the view should work with
      * @param {String} view_id the listview's identifier, if any
      * @param {Object} options A set of options used to configure the view
@@ -42,9 +42,9 @@ openerp.web.ListView = openerp.web.View.extend( /** @lends openerp.web.ListView#
      * @param {Boolean} [options.sortable=true] is it possible to sort the table by clicking on column headers
      * @param {Boolean} [options.reorderable=true] is it possible to reorder list rows
      */
-    init: function(parent, element_id, dataset, view_id, options) {
+    init: function(parent, dataset, view_id, options) {
         var self = this;
-        this._super(parent, element_id);
+        this._super(parent);
         this.set_default_options(_.extend({}, this.defaults, options || {}));
         this.dataset = dataset;
         this.model = dataset.model;
@@ -128,6 +128,7 @@ openerp.web.ListView = openerp.web.View.extend( /** @lends openerp.web.ListView#
      * @returns {$.Deferred} loading promise
      */
     start: function() {
+        this._super();
         this.$element.addClass('oe-listview');
         return this.reload_view(null, null, true);
     },
diff --git a/addons/web/static/src/js/views.js b/addons/web/static/src/js/views.js
index 0c3ef6c65d6..dd915c110ca 100644
--- a/addons/web/static/src/js/views.js
+++ b/addons/web/static/src/js/views.js
@@ -208,8 +208,7 @@ openerp.web.ViewManager =  openerp.web.Widget.extend(/** @lends openerp.web.View
         if (!view.controller) {
             // Lazy loading of views
             var controllerclass = this.registry.get_object(view_type);
-            var controller = new controllerclass(this, this.element_id + '_view_' + view_type,
-                this.dataset, view.view_id, view.options);
+            var controller = new controllerclass(this, this.dataset, view.view_id, view.options);
             if (view.embedded_view) {
                 controller.set_embedded_view(view.embedded_view);
             }
@@ -228,7 +227,8 @@ openerp.web.ViewManager =  openerp.web.Widget.extend(/** @lends openerp.web.View
                     unique: true
                 });
             }
-            view_promise = controller.start();
+            var container = $("#" + this.element_id + '_view_' + view_type);
+            view_promise = controller.appendTo(container);
             $.when(view_promise).then(function() {
                 self.on_controller_inited(view_type, controller);
             });
diff --git a/addons/web/static/src/xml/base.xml b/addons/web/static/src/xml/base.xml
index 041e2ced2e9..043967c68fd 100644
--- a/addons/web/static/src/xml/base.xml
+++ b/addons/web/static/src/xml/base.xml
@@ -1422,4 +1422,7 @@
         </t>
     </ul>
 </t>
+<t t-name="EmptyComponent">
+    <div></div>
+</t>
 </templates>